Comments on: Islam occurred several hundred years later than the official version claims https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/ the kabylian voice Fri, 18 Dec 2020 11:11:42 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.6 By: Roger https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-48025 Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:46:24 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-48025 The historians of the 6th century, Corippe and Procopius, among others, mention a fact which is ignored today. The famine due to the desertification of North Africa which caused interminable wars between the Berbers themselves and against the vandals and the Byzantines. Antalas, the Berber hero who practiced a scorched-earth policy , is transposed by the fabulators of the history of Islam as Kocilla / Aksel, with the aim of building a history for Islam different from its Christian origin.

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By: Terence Afer https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-44650 Fri, 17 Jul 2020 08:53:53 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-44650 In reply to Jaime Flores.

It shouldn’t be hard to prove his existence if he had actually existed. In his time, the writing was common. It should have thousands of testimonials. This fact is not a trifle. It s major when we speak of a so-called historical character. The first hadiths (there are more than a million) started to appear in the 9th century. Mohamed his totally alien to hadiths. Everything in this story is nothing but novels written far in time from the supposed date of Mohamed. It is also in the romance of little Aisha’s love affairs that we see a separation between the shia and the sunnit. Aisha cuckolds Mohamed and Ali want her to be stoned etc. Much of the hadith is the work of opponents of the religion that was to become Islam … originally it was unitary Christianity, the main branch of which was what the Vatican calls Arianism.
Islam being a syncretism of the different beliefs of the 6th century, it is normal to find conflicts in this mosaic of beliefs. Islam splits in two the same way Christianity splits into several pieces that hated each other to the point of giving another religion with a god named Allah

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By: Jaime Flores https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-44576 Fri, 17 Jul 2020 01:02:00 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-44576 In reply to Terence Afer.

I understand the difficulties to explain the lack of proof the Muhammad’s existence. However, I wonder how the division of shiies and sunnies happened if Muhammad did not exist. Also, how to explain the thousands of sayings and actions collected in the Hadith.

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By: Azro https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-3795 Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:01:45 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-3795 There is no doubt that Islam is a violent religion. I emphasize this because you do not think I am defending this religion. But I want to point out that everything that people know about Islam is just nonsense. These conquests the world talk a lot about are a Catholic invention for not admitting to having been beaten in the fight of ideas competitor. It was a Spanish monk, Alvaro, who had changed the words of Chalden to Arab in an apocalyptic prophecy to Daniel who started the lie “Arab invasion”. A lie that began to be accepted only in the 14th century. Words of Islam and Muslims emerged in Europe, among those called so-called cross wars, only in the 17th century. Until then, was this religion known as Mohammadism. That is, Islam has a completely different origin than the official story says. It was Europeans who had spread it the most this religion to people who today are Muslims. It was the Vatican who pressed the Qur’an. And It was the English and the French who arabized and Islamized the whole this world: One must know the story to straighten it up. Islam is a project of the destruction of peoples, of the diversity, of cultures, a colonial project. It is a project that has always been borne by the European left, such as the Jules Ferry. This is why today we see socialists ahead of the Islamization of European people

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By: Kaci https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-3397 Wed, 13 Mar 2019 13:39:00 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-3397 I swear that Mecca is made not to pay homage to a mighty god, but rather is built in this desert by superstitious middle-age people who want to keep away evil spirits

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By: Terence https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-1638 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:01:50 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-1638 Some names of intellectuals with worldwide fame who do not accept the official thesis of the history of Islam:
Michael Cook
Patricia Crone
Martin Hinds
Gerald Hawting
Gerd-Rüdiger Puin
Christoph Luxenberg
Édouard-Marie Gallez
Guillaume Dye
Alfred-Louis de Prémare
Gunter Luling
Emilio Gonzales Ferrin

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By: admin https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-1495 Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:37:05 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-1495 In reply to Rachid.

Because in the Middle Ages the Arabs were Travelers, gypsies of the desert. Drought and misery forced them to go north to raid semi-sedentaries. Revolts against califs were common because of Arab raids

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By: Rachid https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-1494 Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:31:41 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-1494 I wonder why Allah was so afraid of the Arabs. His fear he expresses with anger and insults very virulent against the Arabs.

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By: Terence Afer https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-1443 Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:08:18 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-1443 by Karl-Heinz Ohlig (Editor),‎ Gerd-R Puin (Editor)
The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History

Despite Muhammad’s exalted place in Islam, even today there is still surpisingly little actually known about this shadowy figure and the origins of the Qur’an because of an astounding lack of verifiable biographical material. Furthermore, most of the existing biographical traditions that can be used to substantiate the life of Muhammad date to nearly two centuries after his death, a time when a powerful, expansive, and idealized empire had become synonymous with his name and vision – thus resulting in an exaggerated and often artificial characterization of the prophetic figure coupled with many questionable interpretations of the holy book of Islam.

On the basis of datable and localizable artifacts from the seventh and eighth centuries of the Christian era, many of the historical developments, misconceptions, and fallacies of Islam can now be seen in a different light. Excavated coins that predate Islam and the old inscription in the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem utilize symbols used in a documented Syrian Arabic theology – a theology with Christian roots.

Interpreting traditional contexts of historical evidence and rereading passages of the Qur’an, the researchers in this thought-provoking volume unveil a surprising – and highly unconventional – picture of the very foundations of Islamic religious history.

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By: kabylia https://mergueze.info/islam-occurred-several-hundred-years-later-than-the-official-version-claims/#comment-764 Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:28:18 +0000 http://kabylia.me/?p=11987#comment-764 Mohammed never existed and the Koran is a historical imposture!

Professor Hired for Outreach to Muslims Delivers a Jolt: Islamic Theologian’s Theory: It’s Likely the Prophet Muhammad Never Existed

By ANDREW HIGGINS | The Wall Street Journal

MÜNSTER, Germany — Muhammad Sven Kalisch, a Muslim convert and Germany’s first professor of Islamic theology, fasts during the Muslim holy month, doesn’t like to shake hands with Muslim women and has spent years studying Islamic scripture. Islam, he says, guides his life.

So it came as something of a surprise when Prof. Kalisch announced the fruit of his theological research. His conclusion: The Prophet Muhammad probably never existed.

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Theology Without Muhammad

Read a translated excerpt from “Islamic Theology Without the Historic Muhammad — Comments on the Challenges of the Historical-Critical Method for Islamic Thinking” by Professor Kalisch.
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Muslims, not surprisingly, are outraged. Even Danish cartoonists who triggered global protests a couple of years ago didn’t portray the Prophet as fictional. German police, worried about a violent backlash, told the professor to move his religious-studies center to more-secure premises.

“We had no idea he would have ideas like this,” says Thomas Bauer, a fellow academic at Münster University who sat on a committee that appointed Prof. Kalisch. “I’m a more orthodox Muslim than he is, and I’m not a Muslim.”

When Prof. Kalisch took up his theology chair four years ago, he was seen as proof that modern Western scholarship and Islamic ways can mingle — and counter the influence of radical preachers in Germany. He was put in charge of a new program at Münster, one of Germany’s oldest and most respected universities, to train teachers in state schools to teach Muslim pupils about their faith.

Muslim leaders cheered and joined an advisory board at his Center for Religious Studies. Politicians hailed the appointment as a sign of Germany’s readiness to absorb some three million Muslims into mainstream society. But, says Andreas Pinkwart, a minister responsible for higher education in this north German region, “the results are disappointing.”

Prof. Kalisch, who insists he’s still a Muslim, says he knew he would get in trouble but wanted to subject Islam to the same scrutiny as Christianity and Judaism. German scholars of the 19th century, he notes, were among the first to raise questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible.

Many scholars of Islam question the accuracy of ancient sources on Muhammad’s life. The earliest biography, of which no copies survive, dated from roughly a century after the generally accepted year of his death, 632, and is known only by references to it in much later texts. But only a few scholars have doubted Muhammad’s existence. Most say his life is better documented than that of Jesus.

[Sven Muhammad Kalish]Left: Muhammad Sven Kalisch
“Of course Muhammad existed,” says Tilman Nagel, a scholar in Göttingen and author of a new book, “Muhammad: Life and Legend.” The Prophet differed from the flawless figure of Islamic tradition, Prof. Nagel says, but “it is quite astonishing to say that thousands and thousands of pages about him were all forged” and there was no such person.

All the same, Prof. Nagel has signed a petition in support of Prof. Kalisch, who has faced blistering criticism from Muslim groups and some secular German academics. “We are in Europe,” Prof. Nagel says. “Education is about thinking, not just learning by heart.”

Prof. Kalisch’s religious studies center recently removed a sign and erased its address from its Web site. The professor, a burly 42-year-old, says he has received no specific threats but has been denounced as apostate, a capital offense in some readings of Islam.

“Maybe people are speculating that some idiot will come and cut off my head,” he said during an interview in his study.

A few minutes later, an assistant arrived in a panic to say a suspicious-looking digital clock had been found lying in the hallway. Police, called to the scene, declared the clock harmless.

A convert to Islam at age 15, Prof. Kalisch says he was drawn to the faith because it seemed more rational than others. He embraced a branch of Shiite Islam noted for its skeptical bent. After working briefly as a lawyer, he began work in 2001 on a postdoctoral thesis in Islamic law in Hamburg, to go through the elaborate process required to become a professor in Germany.

The Sept. 11 attacks in the U.S. that year appalled Mr. Kalisch but didn’t dent his devotion. Indeed, after he arrived at Münster University in 2004, he struck some as too conservative. Sami Alrabaa, a scholar at a nearby college, recalls attending a lecture by Prof. Kalisch and being upset by his doctrinaire defense of Islamic law, known as Sharia.

In private, he was moving in a different direction. He devoured works questioning the existence of Abraham, Moses and Jesus. Then “I said to myself: You’ve dealt with Christianity and Judaism but what about your own religion? Can you take it for granted that Muhammad existed?”

He had no doubts at first, but slowly they emerged. He was struck, he says, by the fact that the first coins bearing Muhammad’s name did not appear until the late 7th century — six decades after the religion did.

He traded ideas with some scholars in Saarbrücken who in recent years have been pushing the idea of Muhammad’s nonexistence. They claim that “Muhammad” wasn’t the name of a person but a title, and that Islam began as a Christian heresy.

Prof. Kalisch didn’t buy all of this. Contributing last year to a book on Islam, he weighed the odds and called Muhammad’s existence “more probable than not.” By early this year, though, his thinking had shifted. “The more I read, the historical person at the root of the whole thing became more and more improbable,” he says.

He has doubts, too, about the Quran. “God doesn’t write books,” Prof. Kalisch says.

Some of his students voiced alarm at the direction of his teaching. “I began to wonder if he would one day say he doesn’t exist himself,” says one. A few boycotted his lectures. Others sang his praises.

Prof. Kalisch says he “never told students ‘just believe what Kalisch thinks’ ” but seeks to teach them to think independently. Religions, he says, are “crutches” that help believers get to “the spiritual truth behind them.” To him, what matters isn’t whether Muhammad actually lived but the philosophy presented in his name.

This summer, the dispute hit the headlines. A Turkish-language German newspaper reported on it with gusto. Media in the Muslim world picked up on it.

Germany’s Muslim Coordinating Council withdrew from the advisory board of Prof. Kalisch’s center. Some Council members refused to address him by his adopted Muslim name, Muhammad, saying that he should now be known as Sven.

German academics split. Michael Marx, a Quran scholar at the Berlin-Brandenburg Academy of Sciences, warned that Prof. Kalisch’s views would discredit German scholarship and make it difficult for German scholars to work in Muslim lands. But Ursula Spuler-Stegemann, an Islamic studies scholar at the University of Marburg, set up a Web site called solidaritymuhammadkalisch.com and started an online petition of support.

Alarmed that a pioneering effort at Muslim outreach was only stoking antagonism, Münster University decided to douse the flames. Prof. Kalisch was told he could keep his professorship but must stop teaching Islam to future school teachers.

The professor says he’s more determined than ever to keep probing his faith. He is finishing a book to explain his thoughts. It’s in English instead of German because he wants to make a bigger impact. “I’m convinced that what I’m doing is necessary. There must be a free discussion of Islam,” he says.

—Almut Schoenfeld in Berlin contributed to this article.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122669909279629451#printMode

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