Commentaires sur : Islam is under the protection of Western powers https://mergueze.info/islam-is-under-the-protection-of-western-powers/ the kabylian voice Sun, 22 Apr 2018 13:20:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.5 Par : Yiwen n wafniq https://mergueze.info/islam-is-under-the-protection-of-western-powers/#comment-1666 Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:27:22 +0000 https://mergueze.info/?p=14567#comment-1666 si l’occident met en avant ce qui est arabe c’est pour mieux cacher la vérité nord africaine.
On peut admettre des faux rois français arabes mais pas les vrais amazigh qui ôteraient toute légitimité savante et supériorité occidentale supposée.
VOYEZ …
Comment on fait le rois de France pour origine arabe alors que la vérité serait de dires les numides chrétiens africains après la destruction de l’église latine nord africaine
http://histoire.online/index.php/2016/03/14/origine-arabe-et-cherifienne-des-rois-de-france-et-de-presque-toute-la-noblesse-europeenne/

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Par : un punic , yiwn w afniq https://mergueze.info/islam-is-under-the-protection-of-western-powers/#comment-1664 Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:28:02 +0000 https://mergueze.info/?p=14567#comment-1664 Ils sont ceux qui n’ont encore rien compris…. que sont les juifs et les arabes? Les « dits juifs » que l’on associent au hébreux du judaïsme établi par les descendants atlantes nords africains fondateurs de l’Égypte,Grèce ,Syrie etc…ne sont que la création des sionistes dont l’Allemagne et le pivot de plusieurs manipulations de l’histoire dont les origines de l’islam avec l’aide des chrétiens nords africains plus nombreux jusqu’au 12 eme siècle au moins. Les anglais et les français ,eux ont finalisé la création arabe (terme punique) de l’arianisme de « ARIUS l’africain » véhiculés par les vandales arianistes qui feront avec l’aide les sarrasins africains l’origine de qui deviendra après la colonisation de l’arabe par une usurpation et construction historique écrite par les occidentaux faussaires créateurs de l’Orient qui sera habillé du patrimoine plurimillénaire des atlantes et leurs descendants africains civilisateurs de l’occident dont la république Romaine du punique » taromit.aromi. Qui veut comprendre l’histoire falsifiée par l’occident et amputé de plus de 20.000 ans doit connaitre la langue punique à l’origine des autres langues écrites crée par les atalntes et leurs lignée. Les hébreux ne sont pas juifs et Judaïsme est une création africaine dont les traces sont détruites pour faire croire à la création orientale tardive. https://www.google.fr/search?q=comment+fut+inventé+le+peuple+juif&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=Wmm6WtHeDa3L8gfWkbj4Ag

Les arabes ,une invention française …pour isoler et détruire de l’intérieur avec sa création ce qui restent des anciennes civilisations numides amazighs chrétiennes rendus musulmanes avec l’aide consciente ou inconscientes des indigènes au fil des 1400 ans.
Les chiffres ,le cheval ,le dogme des sarrasins ,la grammaire ,l’alphabet ,les descendants de Fatima ,les abbassides… ont tous pour origines le monde punique africains y compris les phéniciens « iphlissen  » que l’on FAIT passer pour des orientaux civilisateurs des nords africains,alors que le moyen orient crée à l’époque du partage du monde au 20 em siècle par l’Angleterre la France qui était déjà peuplé par des nords africains atlantes et numides en leur temps.

La belle création des cifilisateurs..coloniaux grands criminels et fossoyeurs

https://www.google.fr/search?q=+les+arabes+,une+inventionn+francaise&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=y2u6Wo-cI6jL8geG8YHIAg

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Par : admin https://mergueze.info/islam-is-under-the-protection-of-western-powers/#comment-1655 Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:47:33 +0000 https://mergueze.info/?p=14567#comment-1655 Interview with Karl-Heinz Ohlig
Muhammad as a Christological Honorific Title
In his book « The Hidden Origins of Islam: New Research into Its Early History, » the theologian Karl-Heinz Ohlig has come to the conclusion that Islam was not originally conceived as an independent religion. Alfred Hackensberger has talked with the author
Your book bears the title « The Hidden Origins. » What is hidden about the origins of Islam?

Karl-Heinz Ohlig: All the information we posses on the origins of Islam is taken from later texts – « biographies » that were written in the 9th and 10th centuries. One of these texts, the Annals of at-Tabari (10th century), is also the source of further histories. As such, we lack any corroborating contemporary texts for the first two centuries.

Can these later documents still be regarded as accurate? From a scholarly point of view, are they not something akin to falsifications?

Ohlig: To categorize these texts, or similarly the books of Moses or the Romulus and Remus tale, as falsifications would be entirely wrong, as one has to take into consideration this specific literary genre. Religious-political foundation myths are not history texts and nor were they meant to be.

You advocate the thesis that Islam was not conceived as an independent religion. What proof do you have for this claim?

Ohlig: According to the evidence of Christian literature under Arab rule from the 7th and 8th centuries, as well as from Arab coinage and inscriptions from this period, such as that on the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, the new rulers adhered to a Syrian-Persian form of Christianity that rejected the decisions of the Council of Nicaea. Instead, it regarded Jesus as the messenger, the prophet, the servant of God, but not the physical son of God, who is a strictly unitary being not « adjoined » to any person. The fathers of the Church, for instance, regarded John of Damascus (d. around 750) as a heretic, because his Greek understanding of Christianity did not correspond to their views. There is no mention of a new, independent religion of the Arabs before the 9th century.

Does this mean that Islam was only made into an independent religion at a later date?

Ohlig: This formulation sounds somewhat arbitrary or like a conscious decision. It is much more the case that religions often arise in that a new assessment is made of the inherited religious conceptions of a tradition. These are then interpreted differently, solidified, and systematized in a specific manner.

You have also engaged in historical-critical research with respect to the Prophet Mohammed. What can be said about his person?

Ohlig: It has been established that the earliest coinage with the motto MHMT appeared in eastern Mesopotamia around 660, made their way westward, and there bilingual coins were stamped with MHMT in the center and muhammad in Arabic script at the edge. These coins bear a Christian iconography, i.e. always with crosses, so that the name muhammad is clearly to be understood as a predicate of Jesus, as in the Sanctus of the mass (« praise be to he that comes… »).

​​Here, muhammad means « revered » and « praiseworthy » or « He who is revered » and « He who is praised. » This also corresponds to the inscribed text on the Dome of the Rock, where the title muhammad refers to the Messiah, Jesus, the Son of Mary, and the servant of God. It also fits in with the polemics of John of Damascus against statements he considered heretical.

Later, it seems as if this Christological predicate lost its reference, so that it appears in the Koran as a frequently mentioned, nameless prophet, which could then be historicized into the form of an Arab prophet. The earliest source of this historicization is to be found in writings of John of Damascus, who speaks of the pseudo-prophet Mamed. Only later could the wealth of stories of this Mohammed fill out the historical deficit.

So what you are saying is that the term muhammad could possibly be referring to Christ?

Ohlig: It is entirely possible – even when previously historically improvable – that an important preacher was present at the beginning or at another point in the history of the Koran movement. However, according to the evidence of Arab coins and the inscription in the Dome of the Rock, it must be assumed that the term muhammad, the revered or the praiseworthy, was originally a Christological honorific title.

Why is it that these links haven’t previously been made?

Ohlig: Such inquiries are forbidden in Muslim theology, which hasn’t yet passed through its Enlightenment. Western Islamic studies remains preoccupied with philology without employing the established methods of historical scholarship. Similarly, there is little religious-historical or Christian theological investigation into the extremely varied cultural traditions of the Middle East. As such, the roots and motives of these traditions are not recognized.

In your book « Early Islam, » you write that you do not wish to harm this religion. Many Muslims will see the exact opposite in your work.

Ohlig: Since the 18th century, many Christians, even to this day, regard the Enlightenment as an attack and an attempt to destroy their religion. In reality, however, it has allowed Christianity to survive in the modern world and also be applicable to the lives of modern man. This is a phase that Islam still has to go through, but it is unavoidable if it doesn’t want to exist in the future only in ghetto-like, closed communities.

Alfred Hackensberger

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Karl-Heinz Ohlig is professor of Religious Studies and the History of Christianity at the University of the Saarland, Germany.

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http://en.qantara.de/content/interview-with-karl-heinz-ohlig-muhammad-as-a-christological-honorific-title

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